#64 | ill Niño [Dave, Laz, Rizzo, Miggy]

[00:00:00] Speaker A: What's going on, y'all? Back at it again. Corpus Christi Originals in the house real quick. Get a shout out to El Vago Burger a& BBQ. Straight up, stoner food. Check them out. 4701 Barrera drive, right there in Molina. Appreciate you guys for joining the show today. We got ill Niño. What's going on, fellas? Yeah, we got over here on the right hand side, my right, we got Laz, Miggy, Dave and Rizzo. What's going on, fellas? Thanks for coming through the show, man. [00:00:27] Speaker B: For real, dude. [00:00:29] Speaker A: It's dope. Marcos came through, and then he invited you guys. Was like, what? Oh, hell, yeah. Yeah. That's what's up. And then we got Steve. [00:00:35] Speaker C: Marco lied to us, man. He told us they wanted the ogs, man. We were all sued. Yeah, that's right. We're the ogs. [00:00:44] Speaker A: You guys ain't just the ogs. You guys are from the friggin east side of America. [00:00:48] Speaker C: That's right. New York, New Jersey. Yeah, city. Grew up, New York, Jersey based band. Built in Hoboken, right? [00:00:56] Speaker B: Pretty much city. [00:00:57] Speaker A: Is that why you wear that type of hat? Frank Sinatra. [00:01:00] Speaker C: You know, I. Listen, I. This is. This is actually New York made hat right here. You know, I. Faking the funk. [00:01:06] Speaker B: You're never gonna get. You're never gonna get a prouder New Yorker ever in your life, man. I really get a New York tattoo. [00:01:13] Speaker C: Frank Sinatra. [00:01:16] Speaker B: You gotta get a New York tattoo, for real. That's your next tattoo. [00:01:20] Speaker C: Look at me, man. I fucking spew New York. [00:01:25] Speaker D: Every day. [00:01:27] Speaker C: Only miss Grace papaya sub bread, dirty. [00:01:30] Speaker B: Water dog, and this motherfucker's whole New Jersey boy right here. [00:01:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:34] Speaker B: Everything's jersey. [00:01:35] Speaker A: Yeah. I love y'all's accent, man. This dope. [00:01:37] Speaker B: Thank you, man. [00:01:37] Speaker A: Can't forget our guest co host, Nick Lopez. [00:01:40] Speaker E: What? [00:01:40] Speaker B: I'm Nate. [00:01:41] Speaker C: Repping your real name. [00:01:43] Speaker B: Your name is Nick the dick. [00:01:47] Speaker A: We got the master of the house electronic, dude. One of the pioneers, bro. [00:02:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:04] Speaker A: Yes. [00:02:05] Speaker E: Yeah. [00:02:05] Speaker A: We were both in nu metal bands. He was a dj in one of the bands. I was a guitar player in one of the bands. [00:02:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:10] Speaker E: That's sick. [00:02:11] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:02:13] Speaker E: Nice meeting you, brother. Nice to meet you, homie. [00:02:15] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. [00:02:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:18] Speaker A: So speaking of the early days, man, you guys. So the early days, looking back, what specific moment or turning point made you realize that the band was going to be successful? [00:02:27] Speaker C: So getting, I think getting that offer after three shows, right? It was like, after the three. [00:02:31] Speaker E: Yeah, we did. [00:02:32] Speaker B: We did. We did one show, actually. And then we had the record label, Roadrunner Records. Come down. My gator and case Wessels, which is the owner of the label, came down to check us out at the second show and we had to fucking. We had no band. Basically. It was just three of us at the time, and remember that? And we had these cultivated band out of our asses, you know, gothic slam. No, that's 19 you're talking. Fun fact. [00:03:00] Speaker C: You ready for this one? [00:03:01] Speaker A: Yeah, come on. [00:03:01] Speaker C: The original ill Nino guitar player was actually the lead singer of gothic slam. [00:03:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:07] Speaker C: Lasted for a few months, but he is nonetheless the original. [00:03:10] Speaker B: Yep. [00:03:11] Speaker C: You know, Danny Gomez when the seed was planted. [00:03:15] Speaker B: But we, you know, had a meeting with Mike Gitter and Mike's like, hey, I want to see the band live. And because they don't sign any bands unless they see them live first, you know. And we came back to him and to our alt singer and we're like, man, we need to get a fucking band together. We don't have a band. And me and Lazar friends for years, and Laz is already working together because he had a recording studio. And I was working with his band because we've been friends since we're teenagers. And I was producing his band, Broomhelda. And I was like, yo, come play bass for us because we need to fucking. We need to do a showcase, you know. And then basically we stole members from other bands. Remember, we got Roger. He's a percussionist originally and a singer in another band. What's the name of the band he sang for Roger? [00:04:00] Speaker C: Reconstruction. Reconstruction. Bay of Pigs. [00:04:03] Speaker B: That's right. And we basically were like, yo, man, you know, can you fucking play with us? And he's like, I can't commit adult New York band. And we're like, 30 days. Give me 30 days. We don't have a deal. You can fucking bounce. And then we got Jardell. What was Jardelle's band point for? [00:04:16] Speaker C: Hope. [00:04:16] Speaker B: Point for Hope went to see him play in Newark, New Jersey, and he was fucking a badass motherfucker. So come with us 30 days again. We did a show at the bird show, right? [00:04:27] Speaker C: That's it. [00:04:28] Speaker B: And then we did a show called Hazard and Kitty. [00:04:32] Speaker A: Wow. [00:04:35] Speaker B: And then that was the end. That was the end of that. And we got a five album deal out of that. [00:04:41] Speaker A: Did you know that you had to. Did you know that you have to change it up and put some of that latin stuff in there already? [00:04:46] Speaker B: Had already. [00:04:47] Speaker A: Oh, so it was already part of. [00:04:48] Speaker B: The demo that we actually handed in. We already had tons of percussion. [00:04:52] Speaker A: Damn. So it was. So you didn't have to, like, say. [00:04:54] Speaker B: We did that in hell. Original. [00:04:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:57] Speaker B: Formation before became Il Nino with our all sing. Our original singer for El Nino Sims. Jorge Rosado. [00:05:03] Speaker A: Yes. Marauder, right? [00:05:04] Speaker B: Yeah, from Marauder. And we already had, like, you know, latin percussion, but it was more metal, and it wasn't really active rock at all. And then we just turned everything into, like, an active rock band. New metal band slash tribal band. [00:05:18] Speaker A: Yeah, man. When I would listen to stuff on cds, I grew up on cds and some kind of tapes, I always look at the band members, and I would look for the one that had the hispanic or latino last name. Oh, there's representation there. You guys are all. And then the dudes from Texas, like, I start seeing their last names. Like, oh, there's more relatable. You got Liao and Mickey's last name. And then I see y'all's. I'm like, that's Latin, bro. [00:05:41] Speaker C: That. [00:05:41] Speaker A: That's not Mexican. Like, you know, like us. So is y'all's roots from South America or. [00:05:48] Speaker B: I'm south of. Well, lots of. [00:05:49] Speaker C: I'm dominican, Puerto rican. From New York. Born and raised. [00:05:53] Speaker B: I was born in South America. I was born in Lima, Peru, when I was. Came here when I was nine years old. And. [00:05:58] Speaker A: Yeah, so, yeah, so is that a lot of. [00:06:01] Speaker B: A lot of the. You know, the album cover. The first album cover was a make believe mummy made out of clay, portraying a mummy that was found in South America back. [00:06:15] Speaker C: I'm so disappointed, because I'm learning now for the first time that the mummy was fake. I thought it was real. [00:06:22] Speaker A: Hey, we gotta provide something. [00:06:25] Speaker B: It was a girl that they found with her legs crossed. You remember that? In Colombia, I think, Columbia, Chile. And they found her, and I was like, fuck, that's fucking gnarly, man. They fucking mummified a girl alive. Like, that was fucked up, crazy impactful. So I was like, let's. Let's do something like this. But obviously, for copyright, you know, at that point, it was like a natural geographic. It was all these different books. And for trademark issues, we couldn't use it. [00:06:50] Speaker A: No way. [00:06:51] Speaker F: Wow. [00:06:51] Speaker B: And if we did want to use it, probably would have fucking raped us on the price. [00:06:54] Speaker A: Damn. [00:06:55] Speaker B: So we had a guy. A guy play Patrick McBride. Correct. Yeah. Put it together. I can't believe we remember all these fucking names from 25 years ago. He actually made the mummy out of clay, and it looked exactly the fucking same. I mean, after you saw the pictures, I was like, wow. [00:07:11] Speaker A: So is that. Is this the inspiration behind, like, the name of the tour they all are on now. [00:07:14] Speaker B: 25 years of latin medal is 25 years of us bringing, you know, latin metal music. Yeah, there's really no bands that are doing it. You know, it's like two fucking bands. Yeah, really. One of them being the original Puya from Puerto Rico and I. Really. Latin? Yeah. They're more tribal. They're not. [00:07:36] Speaker A: And they didn't start out with tribal stuff either. It was more like thrash test. [00:07:40] Speaker B: Yeah, sort of a thrash. And they built into, like, brazilian. Yes, tribal tribes. That's what they worked with. [00:07:47] Speaker A: Nice. That's awesome. The evolution of sound and, you know, sound has evolved significantly over the years. Can you pinpoint specific albums or songs where you feel the evolution was most prominent and explain why I think our. [00:08:01] Speaker B: Third record was the more prominent when we found a real sound. One issue on the ground, you know, revolution. Revolution was. Was, you know, we all just basically gathered and bit a little bit of everything, you know, latin music, metal music, new metal, even some hardcore roots. You know, the flamenco style that he brought to the band which brought it over the top between the percussion and the flamenco style, that's what separated us, you know. I mean, when our first record came out two months in, we're doing 6000 copies a week. [00:08:34] Speaker A: Mmm. [00:08:35] Speaker B: We're doing 25,000 records a month. [00:08:37] Speaker A: Wow. [00:08:37] Speaker B: And then we went up to, like, 9000 records a week. You know, towards the end of that album cycle, was it. [00:08:43] Speaker A: Was it like time for that to come out, would you say? Or it was just. That was you just threw out there and we'll see what happens, you know? [00:08:50] Speaker B: Yeah, it was. It was. It was experimental, of course. You know, like any. Like anything else. You like this. You love this. And you take stuff that he likes. Stuff that he likes and you put it together and you. And you come up with a formula and it can fucking works for you. [00:09:04] Speaker A: That's awesome. What's up? Shout out. [00:09:05] Speaker F: You too. [00:09:05] Speaker A: Raul. Garcia. Daniel. [00:09:07] Speaker D: Adam. [00:09:07] Speaker E: Adam. What's up, dog? [00:09:09] Speaker C: That's our homie, Francesca. [00:09:11] Speaker A: What's up, Mama? Thank you for joining me. [00:09:13] Speaker B: Put down the bottle, dog. I better not see you like I saw you in Vegas a couple of days ago. My man was whoo whoo. No words explained. [00:09:26] Speaker A: Could you. Could you delve into deeper into the one or two of the moments that explain how they. How the milestones have shaped the band's trajectory? [00:09:37] Speaker B: You mean like an actual tour or a moment? [00:09:41] Speaker A: Like a career milestone? [00:09:42] Speaker B: It could be a couple, you know? [00:09:44] Speaker C: I tell you, it's a milestone is the fact that we've been around for freaking so long, man. I mean, ten years was a milestone, and I never even dreamed of five. I guess I knew the nature of the music business. I tried to play everything like it's my last, and I'm still trying to play everything like it's. My other story is, you can't kill this fucking band. And, you know, it's bigger than any one of us here in this, you. [00:10:06] Speaker F: Know, the new title, Immortals. [00:10:08] Speaker C: That's right. [00:10:09] Speaker F: That's a sick ass fucking. I was telling Marcos on the last pod. Dude, that's a sick ass fucking time. [00:10:13] Speaker B: Thank you, man. [00:10:14] Speaker F: Sick as time for an album. [00:10:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:16] Speaker F: And then just to have, you know. [00:10:19] Speaker C: For a little while there, you know, that was also something, you know, we didn't know where this was gonna end up, and Immortals was probably how we were gonna come back out and throw it down. [00:10:30] Speaker B: Yeah. But like he was saying, mark Russell coming back to the fold was definitely a turning point for us as well. [00:10:36] Speaker C: Well, I was cherry on. [00:10:40] Speaker B: We reunited the original fucking lineup, you know? And now you got three ogs in the band instead of two, you know what I mean? And even Danny Coro being in the band, he's remotely. He's in the band, but he's remotely. He's got other family situations that he's got to take care of. So he tours when he can, but. [00:11:00] Speaker C: He'S part of our. [00:11:02] Speaker B: Part of the band all day. One milestone, and I'll tell you, is me personally, was when we did ozfest and we, in 2002, and we actually got to play with all, like, people that we looked up to, you know, like we actually played some crazy fucking. Not even. Not even six months right at that time. [00:11:33] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Not even a year. [00:11:35] Speaker B: Six months. And then we fucking wore an asfest. We're like, what? We share a stage with these. All these. And we brought it. I tell you that. We fucking smoked. We came out like we fucking, like a life dependent on it. [00:11:50] Speaker C: You know how it is, man. You see those latino boys walking around, man? [00:11:54] Speaker A: We hard workers. [00:11:55] Speaker C: We bring it. We bring it. We just bring it. [00:11:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:58] Speaker B: All the eggs. [00:11:59] Speaker A: Yeah. How do you feel about all this, Mickey? [00:12:03] Speaker E: Dude, it's dope, man. It's been a dream come true for me, so I really have nothing bad to say. It's been like. It's kind of hard to describe what happened, how it happened. But the journey for me going on three years, almost three years now. [00:12:14] Speaker B: We met at a buffet. At the buffet, the local golden corral. He took the last steak, and I. [00:12:24] Speaker E: Was like, hey, man, I think I count. [00:12:29] Speaker F: No, no more. [00:12:30] Speaker C: No more. [00:12:30] Speaker B: You need your money back. You go. But, no, man. [00:12:33] Speaker E: It's been such a dream come true, dude. It's been amazing. [00:12:36] Speaker B: Journey's been such a positive force in the band. His positivity and his hard work. Yeah, he's a perfect fit for this band. [00:12:45] Speaker F: Great vocalist, too. We've seen you. [00:12:50] Speaker B: And Marcos will great together. You know, like, it's just. It's like you couldn't rewrite this shit. You really couldn't rewrite it. You know, Mark coming back, you know, fucking Maggie being second vocalist and percussionist and just the way everything is evolving, it's like we're. [00:13:05] Speaker C: I love to be that way. I love playing with these guys. These guys are all great. I mean, Miggy is just not extremely talented. So right out the gate, you know? But he's also happens to be probably one of the most genuine human beings I know, you know, who's just. But these guys are all dynamite fucking players. And they're so creative, you know, Marco's voice, you know, I mean, these Sil Nino songs are being sang Michael Nino, like they never have been since we recorded, so. [00:13:43] Speaker B: And they're in key, so, you know. [00:13:47] Speaker C: It'S just a pleasure. And then, you know, everything just lined up, you know, the stars lined up. And even our reunion with Rizzo, you know, it was just like that was. [00:13:56] Speaker B: Thought the universe, beginning of every new beginning. [00:13:59] Speaker C: Somehow the universe just, you know, just made it this way. I truly feel that way. It's an energy that just brought us together. Timing, you know, the timing, everything that we're just right. [00:14:10] Speaker B: Those fuck that. Nothing was forced, right? It just. [00:14:12] Speaker C: Nothing was. [00:14:13] Speaker B: Everything was just laying in front of us, and that's the fucking path we took. And it was like, what the fuck? That's so weird that, yeah, he's available. We want him in the band. He wants to be in the band. And then we move forward, and then, like, he's available. Marcos decided to, you know, put chatter son to the side and concentrate on El Nino. And that's what we needed, you know, I said when we. Me and him spoke, at first, we're like, yo, this. You have to be 100% all fucking in. Because when we come out, we come out, you know, we don't fuck around. Like, we go on tour and a worldwide tour, and we put records out. We do it for real. We don't. If I'm gonna ever do it, fucking half ass, I won't do it at all. I'll say the fuck home. [00:14:51] Speaker A: How did you find your. How do you find yourself? Like, getting past the old singer gone and the new singer coming in? [00:14:58] Speaker F: Is it. [00:14:58] Speaker A: Is it something that was easy to get over, or is it something that's still sticking? [00:15:02] Speaker B: It wasn't. You know what? It was inedible. It was an evidence. [00:15:05] Speaker A: It was gonna happen. [00:15:05] Speaker B: Yeah. It had to happen. It's, like, almost like the best way that I can put it. It's like you're married, and you just do not see eye to eye with your wife, and it has to be done. It has to be done. There's things that cannot be repaired. [00:15:18] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, you know, you listen. It's part of life, you know? And it happens, you know? And just sometimes it's just the way it is, and then, you know, you accept it. You move on, you know, betrayal comes, and, you know, you can't let it hold you down. [00:15:31] Speaker D: When I heard Marcos was singing for the band, that was a big part of me wanting to be here, too, really? I was a big fan of Marcos vocals and shattered sun. I toured with him. You know, we used to hang out a lot, go to bars. [00:15:42] Speaker A: Yeah, right on. [00:15:42] Speaker D: Party, you know? And so when I heard he got the gig, and I was like, this is dope. [00:15:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Wow. [00:15:49] Speaker F: As a family, when I first saw that, and they trimmed me out, like, yeah, news came out. What the fuck? [00:15:54] Speaker B: And again, I think Mark coming back, like, if. If Christian was still in the band, he wouldn't have came back. [00:16:01] Speaker E: Yeah, true. [00:16:03] Speaker A: Really? [00:16:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:04] Speaker F: I kind of figured you would. [00:16:05] Speaker B: You. [00:16:05] Speaker A: Would you care, elaborate more on that. [00:16:07] Speaker D: Or did something that's, you know, I'm excited for the future and working with Marcos. You know, biggie here, you know, these guys are killing it live vocal. So, you know, it's exciting. [00:16:17] Speaker B: It's. It's a joint effort on all angles. You know what I mean? It's a. Like I said, you know what? We're strong as we all are together. That's a fucking band. [00:16:28] Speaker C: In all honesty, you couldn't write this like a better book. You know? I feel like I'm living, like, you know, and don't get me wrong, one of the most uncomfortable situations in my life was dealing when those guys separated and they started creating a fake narrative, you know? And then, you know, fans are turning on you. Fans that I seen, you know, grow. [00:16:49] Speaker B: Up with us, people that I take, people that. [00:16:52] Speaker C: Yeah, people that I've taken care of and nourished them and made them feel a part of us turn on you, you know, that hurts, you know? And so that was a lot to, like, to bear at the time, but it was like, you know what? We're just gonna fucking drop bombs. [00:17:07] Speaker A: Have you always had that type of attitude, or. I mean, has. Has your thought process in that way changed? [00:17:13] Speaker C: Absolutely. I never had that kind of betrayal in my life. You know, all my friends. The majority of my friends are my friends I grew up with. You know, we know. We don't have. We have each other's back, rest the way. The school I come from. [00:17:25] Speaker B: The reality is, you can tell good people from. From bad people is when. How many old friends do you have? You know what I mean? Usually, people that are not fucking good, good people don't have many or any friends. How's that mean? So. And I'm so friends with all. I mean, that's my childhood friend for 40 years. [00:17:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:45] Speaker B: You know what I mean? [00:17:46] Speaker A: Yeah. Right on. [00:17:47] Speaker C: Two years old, man. [00:17:59] Speaker E: You ever seen the movie life? [00:18:01] Speaker C: That's literally. [00:18:02] Speaker E: That's Dave and freaking wow. [00:18:07] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:18:08] Speaker A: So, songwriting dynamics. You've spoken about the collaborative nature of your songwriting. Could you share a specific example of a song that came through, that came together in an unusual or particular memorable way? [00:18:20] Speaker B: Typical, you know, Leo fashion. I mean, Moscow was the first song we released. Second, yeah, yeah, but, I mean, first name back. [00:18:29] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:18:30] Speaker B: And Moscow. I mean, everybody puts in, man. You know, Moscow came out. [00:18:36] Speaker C: And, you know, even, like, stepping away, though, just to add, man, that just amped me up, man. [00:18:41] Speaker D: When I heard the new stuff, I was like, yo, this is. This is seriously all or nothing. I was like, man, I'm getting chills just thinking I like the new stuff actually better than the old stuff. [00:18:50] Speaker F: When that fucking breakdown comes in, when Marcos comes in with that fucking yell, son of a bitch. [00:18:58] Speaker C: When Moscow came out, that's when the fan perception of the band started. You know, changing, said, yo, you can't shit on this band. This shit is dope. You're just gonna shit on the band. You're just talking shit. And then people were calling you out for talking shit. It actually started creating a whole new interest. [00:19:15] Speaker B: Let me. Let me. [00:19:16] Speaker C: Well, I want to add one more thing, because, you know, there was the one more thing that. And then. So, you know, it's like a triumphant return, right? And then a few months later, Mark joins the band, rejoins the band, and we drop another single. And just that listening to that solo on that record, it's just, to me, it's making such a strong point. [00:19:38] Speaker B: This is over. [00:19:40] Speaker C: It was really like, yo, this is Jill. And what that, to me, was the nail on the fucking coffin. [00:19:47] Speaker A: I was surprised, actually, here solo. These y'all stuff. Your stuff doesn't have a lot of solos, would y'all say? [00:19:52] Speaker B: It doesn't. It doesn't even. That's even the early stuff. [00:19:54] Speaker D: But I. I charge per note, so that's. [00:19:58] Speaker A: He's got a lot of notes, too. [00:20:00] Speaker B: You got a lot of notes. [00:20:01] Speaker D: I got bills to pay, so. [00:20:02] Speaker C: Yeah, but, you know, a lot of people don't realize that Mark Razor is not just about the licks and all that stuff. It's the other. Other little things that he does that layers on top how much money you give, you know, that just. Well, yeah, no, I mean, I. Cuz I, you know, listen, I'm a fan of music, you know, and when my own music fucking drives me, when I don't even see myself in the band, I just hear the music. I just hear what it makes me feel. And, you know, it's speaking to me when. And I think that that's sincere. It's genuine to me. [00:20:43] Speaker B: When this. The whole change happened, I went to a time where, you know, the lawsuits came and blah, blah, blah, and we retaliated and fucking crushed motherfuckers. Right? And it was a little bit, like, saddening in the beginning because it's like, this is people that you took care of and that you looked out and then, you know, they turned on you. But you know what? I wish him the fucking best. I really, really. [00:21:08] Speaker C: Listen, God bless. God bless them. [00:21:10] Speaker B: I wish him the best. [00:21:10] Speaker C: Yeah, God bless. [00:21:11] Speaker B: I couldn't be any happier on what we're fucking accomplishing right now. [00:21:15] Speaker C: I can't imagine life anymore. [00:21:17] Speaker B: No major festivals. We know. We are on every festival, and all the Danny Wimmer festivals were incarceration, where I'm fucking, you know, but still the one. What's the other one? We're on incarceration. Aftershock. Louder than life. [00:21:33] Speaker E: Louder than life. [00:21:34] Speaker B: And, you know, these are not. There's a thousand bands that try to get on these festivals, and they hone it down to, like, 70, 80 bands. [00:21:43] Speaker A: Wow. [00:21:43] Speaker B: You know what I mean? And we're gone. All three festivals this year. You know what I mean? So, yeah, so, I mean, for us, it's like we. We're not going fucking anywhere, you know, whoever in. And I was gonna say before, when you interrupted me, was anyone who said anything has always turned around a month later, two months later, and started kissing ass, you know, because they're fucking keyboard jockeys. People talk shit, and then they try to get a rise out of you. And I just tell them to fuck off. And then we just say with our music and we come out, we like. What do you got to say? Like, are you going to talk about all the festivals over on all the tours that were on, or what do you want to talk about? You know, 20 million fucking streams. What do you want to talk about? [00:22:27] Speaker D: I said, I like the news. I like the new stuff better than the old stuff, honestly, that's, you know. [00:22:31] Speaker A: How do you handle creative differences? There's disagreements within the band. Can you describe a specific instance where differing opinions led to a better final product? [00:22:42] Speaker B: Well, everybody listen. Everybody's entitled to their opinion. Everyone has different styles and different things they want to bring, but everybody brings something to the, you know, to the pole, and it really. There is really isn't a argument, you know, there's not. This more like, hey, you have this idea and you're free. You have free reign to bring your idea. [00:23:02] Speaker A: Are you. Are you comfortable enough to be like, hey, man, I really. It's not driving. [00:23:05] Speaker B: Like, you have to be like, you pick skin. [00:23:09] Speaker E: Yeah. [00:23:09] Speaker B: I mean, you know, this is the way life is. Not just music business, but life is so that way, you can't try to tell, then why the fuck are you doing this? Yeah. [00:23:17] Speaker C: In this band, though, we know we don't just knock it down. We want to try it first, and then, you know, see what we can do with it first. Because if someone's very adamant about a creative idea, I think out of respect, you take into consideration, do all you. [00:23:31] Speaker B: Even when I got. When he says I want to try, I already know I'm going to say, no, I let him try anything. That's you, though. That's you. [00:23:40] Speaker C: But, no, no, no, but there's a. [00:23:43] Speaker E: Sense of mature, to answer your question, coming into the band, like, with the new record, there's a lot of stuff I got to have input in and do some stuff. It was dope, but I know at the end of the day, this isn't my band. So out of respect for the ogs, if they say, hey, man, it's not gonna work, cool, it's not gonna work myself in. There's a lot of musicians that lack that type of maturity where it's like, yo, you can tell them no without them getting. [00:24:06] Speaker C: Everybody in our band is a world class player. So, you know, it's just a matter of whether the idea works for El Nino. [00:24:13] Speaker E: Yeah. [00:24:14] Speaker C: The latin metal genre, if we can make it pop. [00:24:16] Speaker A: Right. So you obviously have a certain sound. Is that the reason why y'all decide to have like, side projects, because all of y'all got stuff going on on the side. [00:24:24] Speaker C: I just. Everyone is just musical, and they fill up their spare time with music, you know? I mean, that's just what everybody here does. [00:24:30] Speaker B: I mean, his fat, relentless, fucking amazing band. [00:24:33] Speaker F: Yeah. [00:24:33] Speaker B: You know, and, like. And all the stuff that he does and all the solo stuff that he does. I mean, he goes on tours on his own. [00:24:40] Speaker C: And when I'm home, I'm producing, you know, a lot of bands, a lot of local bands, some national bands, a couple of hardcore bands from New York that I work with. You know, just part. [00:24:49] Speaker A: Just a part of the game, a part of the musician priorities. [00:24:53] Speaker B: You know, we all know what we stand and we communicate, you know, we talk about shit and let each other know. I can't. This is really important. I got this comment coming up or whatever, and that's. And we try to work around and we do what we can. [00:25:04] Speaker A: Yeah, I was gonna say, like, how do you. How do you feel about the other members having. Because there's some bands that I think you. You mentioned in one of. [00:25:10] Speaker B: The. [00:25:11] Speaker A: One of the. One of the interviews I was listening to how. I think it was Soul Flyer, whichever band, machine head or what. I can't remember which interview, but what the. They didn't want y'all to have side projects. Is that how it was? [00:25:23] Speaker D: Yeah, that probably would. I don't remember ever saying that, but, yeah, definitely. [00:25:26] Speaker A: Yeah. You know what it was. It was a rue. I was listening to his interview. He was saying when he's with machine head. So I was listening to a lot of y'all. [00:25:32] Speaker B: A lot of y'all. [00:25:33] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. I was just trying to just kind of get a grasp. All good, y'all underground, you know, so it's awesome, man. Wow. So the. The latest album y'all had, y'all have the four that are. That are out. Can you discuss any tracks that have evolved significantly from their initial versions and what change changes were made? [00:25:53] Speaker B: It's. It's 100% El Nino. You know, the stuff is definitely a lot more modern. You know, you got to keep up with the times, man. You can't. You can't just put the same album out over and over. This is. We're not fucking AC DC. They're super fucking talented. And that's their. That's their thing. You know, there's, like, a lot of bands like the Ramones that just have a. The same song and the same song in 50 different ways, and it works for them. And, you know, all those fucking songs are great. You know what I mean? It's like. But, uh. Yeah, we have to. We have to move with the times. You can't just put the same record out again. That's why, you know, I think that we incorporate everything that we've used before. Land percussion samples, flamenco guitar. [00:26:38] Speaker C: That's something that we always aim for on the record. Our natural evolution of the band from album to album, you know, give them a different flavor. [00:26:45] Speaker B: Definitely a heavier anvil. It's definitely heavier. It's definitely hookier, you know, and it definitely touches a lot of different styles. You know, it covers the entire spectrum. The songs on the album that are heavy as fuck. There's songs on the album that are super memorable and very, very mellow. Singy. [00:27:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, you say something? [00:27:04] Speaker E: No, I'm just. I'm thinking about the weed. We were jamming this stuff on the bus, like, just a rough of what's coming out. [00:27:09] Speaker A: Oh, nice. [00:27:10] Speaker E: It's so dope. [00:27:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:13] Speaker E: I think people are ready for what's about to come out. [00:27:15] Speaker A: No, we're not ready. [00:27:17] Speaker E: Everyone says that it's, like the cliche thing, but I'm, like, looking back at the history of the band, knowing what's to come. It's like, bro, this is about to be. This would be dope, man. [00:27:25] Speaker A: Themes play a big role in your albums. How would you go about choosing. How do you go about choosing themes? And do they reflect any personal or global issues you feel passionate about? [00:27:35] Speaker B: Themes and songs writing or themes as like. [00:27:38] Speaker A: Yeah, it could be like a song or it could be a whole album. [00:27:41] Speaker B: It depends what everywhere brings that to the table. I mean, sometimes we may be in the writing process or he may bring an idea to the table or laughs or whoever, and then. And we kind of work from there and move forward with that idea, and then it turns into something else. Sometimes it turns into something that that's what they wanted originally, and sometimes it doesn't. [00:28:00] Speaker C: You know, there's a compromise, you know? But that's at the end of that. That compromise. [00:28:05] Speaker B: That's the key word. That's the key word. [00:28:07] Speaker A: Including compromise. [00:28:08] Speaker B: When Mark and I and our past single, we were doing all the stuff for revolution, it's the same thing. There's compromises, you know, because you're never gonna see eye to eye and every fucking riff and every single arrangement, it's not gonna happen. There's never gonna be two same person. [00:28:27] Speaker A: They all compose in, like, the same key every time. Like, do you find yourselves in the same key all the time? [00:28:34] Speaker C: I mean, if you listen to the album. [00:28:38] Speaker D: Revolution? [00:28:38] Speaker C: Yes. [00:28:39] Speaker D: We're down to, like, b and some stuff. Down to a. [00:28:42] Speaker C: Some stuff to gain. [00:28:44] Speaker E: Yeah. [00:28:46] Speaker B: Oh, geez. That's why og. [00:28:50] Speaker D: We find that chick. [00:28:51] Speaker B: Stick g. No, no. He likes playing leads because he thinks that, you know, girls like leads. [00:28:57] Speaker D: Well, leads are the most important part of a song. Everyone knows. [00:29:01] Speaker C: Everybody knows. It's the bass groom. [00:29:04] Speaker B: If it was up to him, it would be like, lead verse, lead again. [00:29:11] Speaker D: I get paid per note. So the math, you know, get comfortable. [00:29:16] Speaker A: I'm doing the lead, man. So dead. So we'll just talk about. I didn't have you in here, big man. I thought you were good. So, Dave. J. Dave Chivari. We got laz Pina and then Mark Rizzo. We're gonna kind of touch on you guys stuff. J. Leadership role. You've emphasized the importance of leadership within the. I will skip that. Can you share a specific example of a decision you made that was particularly challenging but ultimately beneficial for El Nino? [00:29:44] Speaker B: Not being with the ex members? That was a decision that, believe it or not, I'll say it out in the open. I don't really give a fuck. It was something that I wanted to do much earlier, and because of this man, because he's more the pacifist, he tried to keep everyone at bay, and he was like, hey, give people chances, you know? But, I mean, how many chances can. [00:30:04] Speaker C: I did that for 15 years, man? [00:30:06] Speaker A: Would have been freaking pissed if they were trying to take the name from me, dude. I would have been freaking, like, of course. [00:30:12] Speaker B: I mean, you know, how do you. How do you look at somebody in the face of a band that you began since day one? You know what I mean? And. And try to. To, you know, so how do you do? But you know what? It's like. [00:30:27] Speaker C: Zach Wild turns, Lozzi Osborne's. [00:30:30] Speaker B: It's okay, because to me, I try to be positive about it. It led us to being here. [00:30:35] Speaker A: Okay. [00:30:35] Speaker B: Yeah. And that's all I give a fuck about, right? Present. The past is the past. I'm cool with it. Whatever happened, it happened. It made me a stronger person. It made me more fucking. [00:30:44] Speaker A: You move on. [00:30:44] Speaker B: Yeah, you move on. [00:30:45] Speaker A: You move on to the next step. [00:30:47] Speaker B: Yeah, I think. But believe me, that happened in fucking 2019. I was trying to make it happen since 2015. Things were not good. [00:30:58] Speaker A: Did you. Did you ever, like, have, like, actual physical fights? [00:31:02] Speaker B: No, we never got. It never got like that because. [00:31:06] Speaker D: Speak for yourself, bro. The midget bites. Yo. [00:31:21] Speaker A: How do you integrate? So your drumming technique has. Well, the. The style has changed. From since the first album to the newer album. Like, the first one was real. Like, I want to say soul fly ish. I don't know what to call it or whatever. How do you integrate diverse influences into your drumming for El Nino? [00:31:39] Speaker B: Again, you try to keep it modern. You know, you have to have an open ear on what's happening in music as well as, you know. How far are you gonna dissolve your style by not stepping away from your original style and still keep up with the times. And that's really important. A lot of pants, they try to copy somebody else's stuff or drumming styles, and that's fucked up the stupid because you just used taking away your originality and just throwing it down the fucking drain, you know? [00:32:07] Speaker A: Well, so you really got a practice at it. [00:32:10] Speaker B: You have to be mindful and you have to be prepared. You have to have to really look at your plan and be like, okay, what the fuck is needed for this song? You know? Because it ain't about me. I'm not trying to fucking show off. I could give a fuck about showing up. You know what I mean? [00:32:24] Speaker A: Yeah. So, balancing roles, both the drummer and a leader, what strategies do you use to manage these roles effectively, especially during times of band calling? [00:32:32] Speaker B: A lot of yelling. No, you know what? It's just, again, you just have to be somewhat organized mentally. You have to have a drive. [00:32:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:44] Speaker C: You know, getting everyone on the same page, you know? You know, if you discuss your ideas prior, you know, and plant the seed so that later on it doesn't stray, you know? So I think it's. If everyone stays on the same page, which is difficult in itself. [00:32:57] Speaker B: Communication is super fucking important because, you know, you can't. You don't know what other person's thinking, you know? Like, even. Even, like, I don't talk to him for a month, whatever. I still text him and say, hey, what's up? You know what I mean? And the same thing with me. Talk all the time. Me and lasso all the time. Even if we don't, we go 30 days to 40 years without talking. I still. You always check in. Just check in there. You fucking. [00:33:18] Speaker A: You ever look at it, like. [00:33:21] Speaker B: All the time. [00:33:24] Speaker C: I'm always working back home. I work with a lot of young band. Sorry. For me to answer the phones, and it always comes when I'm the busiest and I can't, like, tend to it, you know? [00:33:34] Speaker E: And he knows I answer all the time because every time you call me, what am I doing? You always get mad at me. [00:33:38] Speaker B: I'll answer everything exactly this guy could start wearing diapers at fucking early age. [00:33:44] Speaker E: I always answered. [00:33:44] Speaker B: It's always kidding, bro. The bus pulls up to a gas station. We're guessing up who's the motherfucker that's missing this guy taking the shade in Spanish. [00:33:57] Speaker C: Listen, there's a saying in Spanish. You guys speak Spanish? That says, asico mel mulu a sicagal coulo. [00:34:06] Speaker E: I get most of sickness on the bus. My stomach's all messed up. [00:34:09] Speaker D: Why do you just shit on the bus, dude? What's the problem? [00:34:13] Speaker E: I don't play enough league to have enough money to pay for the feet. [00:34:17] Speaker C: Yo, it's the bus, right? It's not the, you know, the water burger, the kale, KFC. The ramen noodles. [00:34:25] Speaker E: That was dope. The coffee. [00:34:28] Speaker A: Yeah. Do y'all, like, take actual food on the bus, or do you, like, stop places to eat? [00:34:36] Speaker C: We have a fridge. We have two fridge on this thing. Microwave. [00:34:39] Speaker B: Two fridges. [00:34:39] Speaker D: We got two fridges. Got one. [00:34:44] Speaker B: Watch two, watch biggie. That's a big m in part of it. [00:34:54] Speaker A: Shout out to everybody on YouTube, you guys. [00:34:58] Speaker F: Lori, thanks for coming in. [00:34:59] Speaker A: Yeah, Daniel, thanks for checking the audio for us, man. How's it. How's it sounding, man? Sounding good. Yeah. That's what's up. [00:35:06] Speaker B: You guys are using those mexican microphones? [00:35:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:13] Speaker B: Wow. [00:35:13] Speaker A: Yeah. Again, you guys check out a Vago burger, BBQ 4701. But it drive get chop the turdzilla or the El Wapo tom to bring. [00:35:23] Speaker B: Drop off some barbecue. [00:35:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's not. Yeah, vago. Yeah, it's called Elvago burger and barbecue. It's not traditional barbecue. Like, he'll put pat. Dude, it's. It's not healthy food either. So he put patty, chopped brisket, a layer of brisket, cheese, your fucking name on it, and then. Oh, my God. Yeah, I'll show you all the pictures here. [00:35:50] Speaker B: Bring us a. I'll call him. [00:35:51] Speaker A: I'll call him and see if he can bring you guys some for real for the show. [00:35:54] Speaker B: Why are you calling us a fit dog? It's like, come on. [00:35:56] Speaker A: Yeah, I'll give him a call. [00:35:57] Speaker C: Should have been in. You gotta be brave to eat that stuff. [00:36:02] Speaker B: They're opening up a fucking nudie magazine. [00:36:10] Speaker F: With the menu on there. [00:36:14] Speaker A: So, lads, you've been playing bass for the band since, basically, since its inception. So your bass lines. Do your bass lines at all shine at all, or. What was I gonna say? Can you share an example of a song where the bass line came? [00:36:26] Speaker B: We call it the secret sauce. [00:36:28] Speaker A: And significantly so, I guess like, if you're a bassist, you're probably a producer. [00:36:32] Speaker C: Too, you know what I mean? I just put my flavor and I try to groove, you know? I think that throughout the years of playing with Dave, I started just. You know, it kind of molded me into the bass drums marriage, you know, follow that kick snare, you know? So I always think of the rhythms differently, you know, not trying to play guitar parts, but mainly trying to. That's the key with drums, you know. [00:36:52] Speaker B: He brings a latin essence to his bass playing, and that's what I think also adds to the Elena sound. Just like the flamenco stuff. [00:36:59] Speaker A: So y'all have to have that kind of chemistry as being part of the band. Would you say that? [00:37:03] Speaker B: We all know it. We all know it's a win for so long together that we kind of know how we're gonna play. You know what I mean? It's a weird. It's a weird to explain. Like, I know some notes he. I know what he's gonna take something sometimes without. Without even talking about. It's been so fucking long, you know? [00:37:22] Speaker A: So, tour memories, can you tell us about a particular, challenging, rewarding tour experience that had a lasting impact on you? [00:37:28] Speaker B: We can't talk about past session. Sorry. [00:37:31] Speaker C: But we can talk about, you know, again, those experiences of just playing with some of your heroes and some of your favorite bands. [00:37:39] Speaker B: Okay, I tell you one experience I know you bugged out on when we played rock and ring and we played with the cure. [00:37:47] Speaker C: Yes. [00:37:47] Speaker B: And I know because he's a huge. I'm a cure fan, but not really. [00:37:50] Speaker A: Right? [00:37:51] Speaker B: This motherfucker is a huge cure fan. And I remember he coming up like, dude, the cures playing right across from, you know, we just finished playing. [00:37:58] Speaker C: They started. [00:38:01] Speaker B: Running. [00:38:02] Speaker C: I literally. I literally just. I ran from the stage after the show and ran to that stage and danced. [00:38:14] Speaker D: We played with Slayer. That was. [00:38:17] Speaker B: Yeah, that was in Italy. [00:38:18] Speaker D: No, we did all of ozfest in Europe. Remember? Before Slayer? Like, five times. For me, that was a dream come true. Slayers. [00:38:25] Speaker B: Yeah, there you go. [00:38:26] Speaker C: I knew you like Metallica was also a big deal for me, playing metallic slayer. [00:38:30] Speaker B: We're playing right before Slayer on the same fucking stage. Same stage. [00:38:34] Speaker E: Two omega. [00:38:35] Speaker A: That was intimidating, right? [00:38:37] Speaker D: Intimidating but exciting. I mean, the minute we were. [00:38:42] Speaker B: Metallica in France, help us. [00:38:45] Speaker C: Which we don't download. [00:38:47] Speaker B: You said a bunch of shows of megadeth. [00:38:49] Speaker E: That was amazing. [00:38:50] Speaker F: You know, dude, all these festivals y'all are hitting out there fucking immersive. [00:38:54] Speaker A: So this is for your first time really seeing all because they seen it. [00:38:57] Speaker E: They seen it. Yeah, yeah. My first. My first year in the band was like, immediately we did us immediately to Europe tour. It was like, yo, what the heck? 100,000 people looking at you're like, I. [00:39:09] Speaker B: Used to fuck with him because I know, like, Marco's a little. A little nervous. A little nervous. And I used to fuck with them because I don't get nervous anymore. I haven't gotten nervous for fucking 30 years. I fuck with Marcos, I'd be like, yo, that's 80,000 people out there. Don't fuck with me, dude. [00:39:25] Speaker F: You wearing your diaper today. [00:39:28] Speaker C: It brought a new excitement for us. I mean, for me especially, you know, watching the New York cats or even Miggy in France, you know, looking around, what do I eat? [00:39:41] Speaker B: Looking for a bathroom. [00:39:44] Speaker F: Where's the bidet at? [00:39:45] Speaker B: And then be like, dude, there's a hole on the floor. How do you shit in here the way France is? [00:39:52] Speaker E: There was a dope. [00:39:53] Speaker B: There's like a hole in the floor. [00:40:04] Speaker C: Miggy and Marcos had never even seen a bidet. The bidet, what is that? I gotta try it. [00:40:23] Speaker D: I got a bidet on the bus now. Actually. [00:40:30] Speaker C: Was telling me the other day, like, during COVID it was like, ah, man, I ain't gonna wait for this toilet paper to run out. I went out and bought a bidet and I was like, are you serious? And he's like, yeah, but I just took it out, man. I wasn't using it anymore. [00:40:45] Speaker A: Throw out the way. [00:40:48] Speaker E: There's so many tour stories that we'd have to have a whole nother podcast this on Tuesday. [00:40:51] Speaker B: Yeah, there's been, uh. It's just been. Everything has been. It's been uphill, you know, since the inception, the new inception, everything's has been positive, positive to positive. There's been no negative shit, you know? [00:41:03] Speaker A: So you say you. So you were saying that about the newer guys coming in, that it kind of helped you guys, like, I guess, like spark or whatever. [00:41:10] Speaker C: Yes, yes. Like you're doing it all over again. And it was a certain man. [00:41:16] Speaker A: So, like, newer sound, newer music, newer. [00:41:18] Speaker C: Newer collaboration, new attitude. [00:41:20] Speaker B: Listen before and I'll say it again. I really. I'm not afraid to speak my mind. I really don't, again, don't give a fuck. Right? But the last ten years when we were in the bus, it was like. It was a fucking. It. You just walked into the bus and you side. Because you're like, here we go. Yeah. You know what I mean? It was just like a. Not a good vibe. And you know, you've dealt with that shit also, and, you know, and you walk in and it's like, oh, man. But now it's like you start a tour and, you know you're gonna have a good fucking time. We're gonna go out there and crush. That's everyone's main concern, to go out there and fucking demolish, you know? But the 23 hours that you're not on stage are a lot easier when you enjoy people's company and when you're fucking friends with people. Well, you can have conversations. You have meals together. [00:42:06] Speaker C: Yeah, there's no. [00:42:07] Speaker A: That's good for that. [00:42:08] Speaker B: Down with the meals. But that's. It's a big difference, man. You know, it makes you now want to go on tour when you're in a situation. Last ten years, eight years of the band, from. I would say from 2010 on, it was just a fucking chore. [00:42:23] Speaker A: Yeah, you had to do it like, you had to. [00:42:26] Speaker B: It's like you have to deal with the same fucking personalities that you don't want to deal with. [00:42:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:31] Speaker B: And it is what it is. You know, you go through it. You go through the motions, but now it's like, okay, it's not a chore. You haven't having a good time on the road. Everybody saw there to do the same fucking thing, you know, man? [00:42:42] Speaker A: That's awesome. Yeah, it's crazy. So you guys got a tour bus, man, and you're. You leave your families at home, right? Like, I mean, how do you. How do y'all deal with that? [00:42:50] Speaker E: Like, Dave brings his family to. [00:42:54] Speaker B: Yeah, I started a bus company about a year and a half ago, so I own the bus that we're in and out. A couple other buses, have some big clients. That's pretty cool. Yeah. So I'm able to bring my family, thank God. But, I mean, I. Fuck. I paid my dues, man. I did 30 years of touring without family, so, yeah, it's time. Yeah. [00:43:12] Speaker C: I'll tell you something, though. I mean, I have a five year old boy, and it is hard to leave on tour and leave your son behind. You know, it's always painful. You know, I can cry like a baby every time I have to say goodbye. But in the long run, you know, I just want my son to, you know, be an example of something that I'd like him to be. Don't give up. You know, sometimes you got to do, you know, the things that you got to do to make things move. And I want him to be proud and say, hey, but most importantly, I have to provide and I. And I, you know, and hopefully he'll understand when I miss certain events, you know, which sucks, you know, but that's part of the nature of this. But I hope that maybe it'll make him proud and that sacrifice will be worth it. [00:43:55] Speaker A: Is that something that y'all learned from your parents? [00:43:57] Speaker C: Absolutely. I think we're all. I mean, if you look at our friendship, you know, and the relationship we have with our families, which is why we are family oriented and why we're still friends. I guess it was just like Dave. I don't know Dave. Just like that. He knows my whole family. He knows. He's also friends with my brothers, been. [00:44:14] Speaker B: To their wedding like my brothers, and hung out many thanksgivings, many family gatherings. [00:44:21] Speaker C: So, you know, we're a family oriented band when it comes to that kind of relationship. [00:44:27] Speaker B: Same thing. Now that these guys came in, we know their families invite them in. It's like, hang out with us. We want. That's what we want. We want to come, you know, the friendship of everyone, you know, breaking bread together. It's fucking important. [00:44:39] Speaker C: Absolutely. [00:44:40] Speaker A: Why is that important to you? [00:44:41] Speaker B: I mean, just because it's a family gathering, really. [00:44:46] Speaker D: It's. [00:44:46] Speaker B: You know, it's like, there's nothing more important than family, period. No matter what the fuck. I'll quit. I'll quit today. That's it. With my family. [00:44:52] Speaker A: Did. When you started the band, did you look at the band like that? This is my family, or. [00:44:56] Speaker F: Did. [00:44:56] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:44:57] Speaker A: Okay. [00:44:57] Speaker B: Absolutely. And that's why I treated them so well. [00:44:59] Speaker C: Yeah. Listen, I want to remind this, because, you know, Dave has been in a bunch of bands prior to this one, you know, from gothic slam, Lance rocket, propane mod, and even soul fly. And he. And in between all those bands, he always went home and gather up the local troops to try to put a band together because he didn't like just being a drummer in a band. He wanted a band where everyone had a single. Everyone felt included. [00:45:27] Speaker B: A lot of times I didn't feel things were fair. And once I started the band, I was like, everyone is. We're all in this together. Like, it needs to be even. Even. You know what I mean? [00:45:37] Speaker A: It's crazy, man. Yeah, just. Yeah. [00:45:41] Speaker C: And he finally got it right. I try to talk a minute to just stayed and so flight. I'm glad he didn't listen to me because, I mean, I seen every single band, you know, since, you know, that he's been. And I thought, you know, just take the gig and do your job, you know? And I was like, little did I know that I was, you know. [00:45:58] Speaker A: You weren't ready? [00:45:58] Speaker B: No. Fuck, no. [00:45:59] Speaker A: You knew it. [00:46:00] Speaker B: I just knew. [00:46:00] Speaker C: I knew. [00:46:01] Speaker B: I was always. You know, I was always, like, the member that was, like, a paid guy. [00:46:07] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:46:08] Speaker B: So I wanted to do my own thing. I wanted to do my. And I had a vision for doing something that. Again, how many bands, you know, have latin metal with flamenco guitars and. And conga? I mean, do you talk? [00:46:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Do you. Do you share about white? You originally let left to go join soul flag? They kick me out. [00:46:27] Speaker B: These. [00:46:27] Speaker D: These guys. [00:46:27] Speaker A: You kicked them out? [00:46:28] Speaker C: Yeah. No, that's not. [00:46:33] Speaker A: Stick to it, bro. [00:46:34] Speaker D: I didn't fit the height requirement. [00:46:39] Speaker C: You didn't do so flight till about a year later. You were also doing a new project, the solo records. Mark was busy, you know, then he landed the giggle, so. [00:46:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:49] Speaker A: Shit. [00:46:49] Speaker F: For a long ass time. [00:46:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:50] Speaker D: Long time. [00:46:51] Speaker A: Yeah, 18 years or something like that. [00:46:54] Speaker F: I gotta ask Mark, you know what? [00:46:56] Speaker C: Before we say anything, I want to send a shout out to one of our boys, Sal. You know, Sal Dominguez, who's right now, you know, trying to hold it down together, you know, and want to send him a shout out that we're thinking about him and you love him, and we miss Speedy recovery, and. [00:47:17] Speaker A: Oh, he's in. He was hospitalized, or would you say it? [00:47:20] Speaker C: Well, right now he can't be with us because he's just dealing with a lot of issues, you know, health issues, you know? [00:47:26] Speaker A: And you guys respect that. [00:47:27] Speaker C: Absolutely. Absolutely. He's a great dude, a great brother of ours, and it will. Oh, forever is, you know, down with our familia. [00:47:37] Speaker B: And I also, we brought back part of our familiar Jess yes. [00:47:41] Speaker C: And I was gonna get. Oh, the Jess yes. [00:47:44] Speaker B: No sons of Texas original revamped lineup was on guitar. [00:47:51] Speaker A: Wow. [00:47:51] Speaker B: Right before Rizzo came in. So now Jess is back. So. Just in Rizzo. [00:47:55] Speaker A: Yeah. It's awesome, dude. [00:47:57] Speaker C: It's an ax attack, man. I said, wow. [00:47:59] Speaker A: You guys are loving that, ain't y'all? [00:48:01] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. It's pretty crazy, right? [00:48:02] Speaker E: It's fun. [00:48:03] Speaker A: It's awesome. [00:48:04] Speaker C: So, yeah. [00:48:05] Speaker A: So, Riz, you learned. We actually had. You actually learned flamenco and classical to bring it specifically into the band? [00:48:11] Speaker D: No, it's just. [00:48:12] Speaker B: It's. [00:48:13] Speaker D: It's crazy how it happened. I just basically, I always studied classical and flamenco and was a big fan of that stuff, but by the time I joined the band, like, in 97, I was really, really concentrating on studying flamenco with a couple different teachers around New York and New Jersey. And it just kind of happened. I was like, oh, I'd love to try to incorporate this. I was a big fan of a band called Candiria that we used to play with all time in Candira. Used to always mix jazz with death metal and hardcore. So I was like, yeah, I would love to maybe try to incorporate some, some acoustic stuff, you know, see, see how it works out and worked perfectly. It was just timing, you know, it was like, it was weird how that all happened, that all worked out like that. [00:48:54] Speaker A: You as a fan, I mean, how do you, how did you, how did you feel whenever you heard, like, that style in the, in their music? [00:49:00] Speaker F: Well, see, like, I got a shout out to my homeboy Isaac in middle school. He's the one that showed me, y'all. And it was, if you still hate me, he's all, yo, check out this band. And I listen to, like, holy shit. Like, there was nothing I never heard of before. And I was like, and then since that day, I've always been a fucking fan, you know? But I do have a question for you, Riz. What made you bring in the backpack as a prop? What do you, what do you carry in the dog? [00:49:32] Speaker D: You know, it's just the truth. [00:49:36] Speaker B: Panties. [00:49:39] Speaker D: The truth is, you know, back when we would do shows back in the day, or, you know, growing up in New York, New Jersey, and going to shows, you would just wear your book bag in the pit because it'd be freezing cold outside. So you put your jacket in there, your keys go into pits, slam dance. So, like, everybody was wearing a book bag, you know, for the. At least I always thought so. And for me, it wasn't a big deal. I just started rocking it on stage. And then I think once we left the New York, New Jersey area, it became a thing, you know, and people just. [00:50:10] Speaker F: Do that. [00:50:11] Speaker D: Yeah, it was. [00:50:11] Speaker C: I was. [00:50:12] Speaker D: There was other bands back in the day where people were booked bag on. [00:50:15] Speaker A: It a few times. It was kind of comfortable, and I. [00:50:18] Speaker D: Would just keep my shit in it. You know, sometimes you leave your stuff in the dressroom, you get robbed, you. [00:50:22] Speaker C: Know, so a sock with rocks? Yeah, I'm not kidding either. [00:50:29] Speaker E: I can attest to that. There's a sock with a rock. [00:50:33] Speaker B: Trying to keep a good fellow style with a. You know what's amazing? [00:50:37] Speaker C: Like, like the backpack thing, somehow it's like, Marcus is great guitar player, but I'm sure that even after life in El Nino, the. The number one question always is, what's in the back? I mean, if we hadn't known that earlier, I think we would have had backpacks in the merch table. [00:50:56] Speaker D: We do now. I have. I have backpacks, you know, at the merch table. [00:50:59] Speaker F: All right, I'm buying one. [00:51:00] Speaker D: But, you know, he does. [00:51:02] Speaker C: He does the artwork originally rigid his own hand. [00:51:12] Speaker D: But I will say I stopped wearing the book bag. I stopped wearing the book bag in, like, oh, four. And I swear I would never wear it again. But these guys, the new guys, miggy, Marcos, Sal, they begged me to wear it. They were like, come on, you got to do it. I was like, dude, I haven't wore that thing in years. [00:51:32] Speaker A: Is it the same one or whatever? [00:51:33] Speaker B: What's that? [00:51:34] Speaker A: Is it the same backpack? El Bago bro said for. He says, what time and for who? [00:51:52] Speaker D: Right now, six of us. [00:51:54] Speaker E: You can't have any because you're making fun. [00:51:55] Speaker A: So six of y'all. [00:51:56] Speaker D: So six y'all earlier the better. [00:51:59] Speaker E: Yeah, cuz we. We can't go on stage all bloated. [00:52:02] Speaker B: Listen, bring your dog. It'll be how many of us? 1234. [00:52:09] Speaker D: If he's got any merch, we'll wear it. [00:52:11] Speaker B: 1234-5672 tables. Me and. Me and then the rest of the bed. [00:52:19] Speaker A: Wow. So, man, we've been here for 50 minutes. You guys are awesome. And it's good getting to know y'all a little bit more, man. I heard in the. I heard you guys, the first album way back, just kind of lost track of you guys. I mean, I don't. I had my own journey or whatever, so it's cool to know y'all, y'all, since she is crazy, bro. Like, and I was just researching and figuring it out, I'm like, damn, this guy been through a lot of stuff, and they're still here. Still here. You ain't like. Like you're saying, I. We ain't going nowhere. Ain't nothing gonna happen. So we're glad you guys here. Is there anything do y'all want to show, share specifically? [00:52:53] Speaker B: Sorry, guys, we don't. [00:52:55] Speaker A: Or we do that you want to share? [00:52:57] Speaker B: Well, the albums are coming out, you know, end of this month, the first CP immortals, volume one. Then end of July, immortals, volume two. Yeah, video is gonna be out on Monday for the new single. And, yeah, we're gonna be on the road. Fucking. We got Europe coming up in August, September. Then we got the three festivals, louder than life, incarceration and aftershock. And after that, we are going to South America and Mexico of a big festival, playing out there with. With Limp Bizkit in November in Mexico City. And then we're doing like, rock a parquet, which is a another huge 160,000 people in Colombia. And then we're going to Australia in December or January, working that out right now. So we're going to be busy as fuck till January. [00:53:45] Speaker A: So you said, you said all that. You said all that. All that stuff up for the band? [00:53:49] Speaker B: Yes. [00:53:52] Speaker A: Yes. I'm saying, like, it's. It's. It's a lot to handle. That's what I'm saying. Like, damn. [00:53:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Believe me, man. [00:53:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:00] Speaker B: Listen, I love it and I fucking hate it because I love it because I know it gets us to. We have to get and I hate it because it's just so much fucking work, you know what I mean? So, yeah. [00:54:11] Speaker A: Any upcoming collaborations that you guys might have partnerships or. Or anything? [00:54:16] Speaker B: You know, I'm trying to make something happen for the second ep to add a singer from Skindrid, Benji, on a track. And we've talked about it already. He's ready to do it, but we have to send, you know, the music and mix that song. We have one song in particular in mind for him. [00:54:34] Speaker A: Nice. Hey, what's up, Alex? What's up, Alex? Hey, you're live, bro. What's up? [00:54:41] Speaker B: Up. [00:54:45] Speaker A: You're gonna come eat over here? That. I think they're gonna stay over here by the venue. [00:54:55] Speaker D: I'm down to go bring it. [00:54:56] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, if. Yeah, if I want to go check. It's a. How far is it from the downtown, Alex? 15 minutes. Ten minutes? 15 minutes. [00:55:08] Speaker B: Walk it up. [00:55:09] Speaker C: We can walk. [00:55:10] Speaker A: You gotta drive over there. [00:55:12] Speaker B: We need to get. [00:55:13] Speaker A: We'll figure it out, Alex. And we'll let you know. [00:55:15] Speaker C: Yeah. Thanks, Alex. [00:55:17] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:55:17] Speaker E: Thank you, bro. [00:55:18] Speaker C: Thank you, brother. [00:55:19] Speaker B: Listen, only you never pass up a food invitation. [00:55:23] Speaker A: They're saying thank you. You're gonna regret it later. [00:55:30] Speaker D: These guys ate all the brisket, man. [00:55:34] Speaker A: Wow, man. Well, thanks for coming on the show, you guys. Yeah, dope. And yeah, if nothing else will say goodbye. We'll say later tonight. They're gonna rock out here. House of rock. [00:55:49] Speaker B: House of rock tickets. Hello. Get you tickets. Come on and hang out. [00:55:53] Speaker A: Don't want to miss it. You guys check it out. [00:55:55] Speaker B: It's gonna be fucking crazy today. [00:55:57] Speaker E: Insane. [00:55:58] Speaker A: Yeah, it's gonna be insane. These guys have put on a show for us, Corpus Christi, you guys. And they for sure. You guys gonna play? See you in a bit. Maybe I shouldn't have brought that up. Either way, you guys check out that track. You don't want to miss it online on. Check it out on Spotify, Apple Music. That's where I listen to it. But yeah, you guys stay tuned. Elvago Burger and barbecue, sponsor of the show. Hit them up. Try out the waffle burger, the Vermunda burger. All kinds of different stuff they got. It's not your average normal barbecue place. Straight up stoner food booth. We'll see you guys later. Have a good one. Stay tuned for the next one. [00:56:33] Speaker C: Peace, Amelia.